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some kind of base and ufos involved

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advanced weapons systems being tested

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possibly theories

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into many of the mysteries of the uintah

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basically a swiss pocket watch

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of high strangeness a finely tuned

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individual

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with an amazing track record

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decorated soldier military police and

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we're going to get into

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all the rest an amazing gentleman

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as a precursor though let me explain

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some claims will be made against certain

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landowners and previous landowners

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in the uintah basin past and present

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claims that by their very nature can't

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be substantiated and

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invoke plausible deniability

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i can speak to this as i'm a landowner

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and well i've i've done this very thing

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so i don't know what people have done on

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property of mine

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and uh without further ado let's uh

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get to the intro and and get moving

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along guys thanks for tuning in

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come blast off in my time machine third

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eye feeling like a knee vision blast off

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blast off blast off glassed off

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[Music]

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hey everybody welcome

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and blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting

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somewhere between the base of la madre

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mountain just south of area 51

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and the epicenter of high strangeness

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the uinta basin in utah

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liminally involved my name is ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you

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an epic episode tonight we have the one

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the only chris marks

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and erica luke's i guess that's two so

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it's like

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twice the bang for your buck these guys

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are going to explain

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theories into some pretty advanced stuff

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dealing in the uinda basin and we're

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going to hopefully delve into some stuff

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that uh i'm really interested in

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that may have something to do with

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hollow earth nazis

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submarine notes we're gonna get into it

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anyway i will uh explain

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more in just a moment let's just get to

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it let's call these guys without further

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ado

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chris marks erica luke's welcome to the

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hero paranormal podcast

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good how are the little rascals they are

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rascally they're up to no good all the

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time well they are

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to be expected correct yeah pretty much

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how have you guys been hanging in there

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through uh

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what's a pretty crazy week

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you know good yeah it's just been it's

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just we're rolling along and

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things with covet are definitely getting

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you know more exciting as the day goes

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it's trying to keep safe chris got his

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first shot so that's good

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nice vaccine nice it's scary stuff

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hey ryan how are you chris how are you

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i'm good i'm good good good good las

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vegas

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man i i love it down here but i miss it

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up there

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so it's it's tough if you if you need

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somebody to drive that

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sexy sweet harley of yours up to you

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just let me know that's not a bad idea

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not a bad idea even better that's yeah

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that's one thing i'm really missing it's

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like i can't wait to get a house

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and and get all that stuff up here

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because i almost bought a yamaha

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um like uh off-road uh enduro type thing

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mm-hmm uh just to go cruise and i miss

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it man i miss it i missed the handlebars

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i missed open road maybe you and maybe

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you could go down there and

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you and ryan could ride the bikes back

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together that would be awesome

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do you know that's not a bad idea i know

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we'll have to talk about it that's kind

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of a cool idea that'd be fun for you

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because i was i don't like trailering

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yeah i don't like the way the forks all

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the way compressed down

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ah first we gotta i gotta get that house

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yeah and that's one thing it really is

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amazing um i bought my house new 10

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years ago up in the northwest by

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hualapai

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um for 229. story

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2500 square feet great neighborhood

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um awesome sold for 3 29

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last summer and up here you can't find

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anything that's below a half a million

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like a thousand square feet homes go for

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half a mil yeah it's just mind-blowing

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yeah so yeah we're looking

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you know uh fixer-upper would be great

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some work into it and like get a nice

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type home that we shall see that's

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awesome we shall see

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it'll happen in time yeah i know it will

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and it's great that you're up there um

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i i can't explain how excited i am to

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finally talk to you

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not only about well

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the most interesting experiences

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on record uh in the history of the

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but amazing insight into

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past possible top secret german u-boat

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talking about uh possibly antarctica i

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and maybe much more you're you're a

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wealth of information and i don't doubt

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that um you have other experiences that

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i would love to pick your brain about in

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theories as well so

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it's kind of it's amazing that you and

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are you know it's it's like twice the

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bang for the buck

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you guys are like the power couple when

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it comes to the synchronicities

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and explainable events and i think a

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very important facet of the mystery of

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the you in a basin

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thank you that sounds kind of cool

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um just you know before we go on

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anything anything is good you can ask

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anything you want i will give you 100

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clear info

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it's totally totally open

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whatever you need to know i will give

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a clear account i don't embellish i

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don't i have no

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horse in this race as far as like i'm

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trying to make connections or i'm i'm

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in this for gain or whatnot i'm simply

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wanted to tell the story as it occurred

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i'm currently working also on a

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documentary that i'm doing

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a book form there will be two books

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simply show the journey from getting

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and how that all happened

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the second one will contain

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reports that i had written over the

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so i just want to tell there's there's

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so much being talked about this

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this place uh so much lore

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so much myth uh embellishments

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uh for crown out loud now we have a

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second season of another

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reality tv uh entertainment show that

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that deals with it and so i

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i'm not an expert i'm not a scientist

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i was there and i can give the account

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of what happened without it being shaded

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one way or another

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and you were definitely there and not

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only were you you were there but you

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capacity and

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you know that's so rare because many

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researchers in the basin

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including myself are just civilians and

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haphazardly

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going about this you know literally

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throwing paint at the wall and seeing if

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it sticks and having no

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no real professional training or

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investigative skills

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and you had not only all that but top

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secret clearances you were military

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trained police

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intelligence officer i believe and also

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uh knew a thing or two about actually

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documenting

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research um and investigating things

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that put you in a position that i think

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is so far above most

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yeah i kind of grew into this thing um

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when i first i came you know

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going back to the beginnings when i came

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uh the the company i had worked for

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prior had folded so i didn't

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have a job at that time

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but i had saved a lot of money from

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deployment and so forth

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uh wrote my harley coast coast and spent

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and a half months three months on the

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uh came back and i saw this this

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job advertisement for bigelow aerospace

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the military communal website

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and i figured you know why not

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i needed a job and i never heard of

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bigelow aerospace i've never heard of

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any of that

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applied to the gig and ultimately you

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got it um it was a journey

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uh one that totally

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had not been planned had not been laid

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out it just

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happened the way it happened um it was

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a gig that eventually grew into much

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more than

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just a gig what was interesting

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was not only my time on the ranch itself

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but also the time i spent the years i

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spent

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at aerospace itself and getting to know

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mr bigelow

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and get into no column and being

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pretty very close with bigelow we went

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hiking

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company hikes we had a lot of

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conversation not just about the ranch

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but many things such as you know they

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had traveled to europe we spent a couple

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hours talking about

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political develop developments in europe

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how it had changed

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places he had visited places that i was

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familiar with

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at one point he had a medical episode

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and diane his late wife

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suggested that i would become his driver

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i guess bodyguard for

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but then afghanistan came up and i had

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and so that whole thing went up in smoke

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but um i was pretty close with

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with uh the organization at that time

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so cool it is so cool such as such a

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unique history position

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and the i think some of the most

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interesting experiences

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overall in the basin that didn't end up

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with somebody being

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like instantly uh injured and we'll get

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into that because

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there's been cases like that you know

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historically

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but um something i came across uh we've

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been talking

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um occasionally and something i came

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across just recently 11 hours ago

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actually

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is very odd um a researcher named

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richard lenny

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is he's a he's a ufologist that's

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uh in the field for quite a long time

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and he posted a

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an it's basically an article and it's

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talking about

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the special air service which i know

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that secrets are traded within our

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government and theirs

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and how the special air service has

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et basically an et

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uh task force that uses

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quote unquote non-lethal weapons

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uh the the sas i'll just read a quick

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segment and then i'll ask you what you

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think the sas

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have got e.t in their sites the daily

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star sunday can reveal a special ops

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project unit of around 20 troopers

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ready to tackle alternative threats the

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elite soldiers are trained to use

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non-lethal weapons against a variety of

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potential threats including

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aliens a source told that the

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sas has to be prepared for anything and

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any threat

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it keeps going on and on and on and on

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but it's kind of like

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their answer to space force so

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no um

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i have seen um

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elements that that i can explain twice

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once in new mexico many many years back

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were it was

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flying objects

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that came across the horizon and that

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was at the time

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uh i was in law enforcement

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me and uh another deputy sheriff were

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sitting side by side parked side by side

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uh talking with two window

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and my partner had seen them first

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alert me to them and they were almost

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like

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flying in a linear formation type

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and then enacted some

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really weird maneuvering

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that seemed physically impossible

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i mean they moved in a in a zigzag

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type manner um there were no

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rounded movements it was all zigzaggy

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type of stuff

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at a very very high speed and we were

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just at the right place right time to uh

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to really observe that close

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uh above us um the second time

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uh i saw a huge

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disc shaped thing that hovered in

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arizona when i came back from rio verde

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uh it's a long dark deserted

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desert road and this thing just hovered

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however

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having said that um

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i'm very cautious to use

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the terminology extraterrestrial um

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which is later on what i did on the

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ranch as well i

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observe that these things but i i try

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not to make

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a conclusion i i don't know if this is

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extraterrestrial

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i don't know if other cassava is in the

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purest form there

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to me ufos as far as unidentified flying

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objects

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if they're in the end terrestrial

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or extraterrestrial i i really can't

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make that determination i don't know

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my six years on the ranch which was the

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longest period of time

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that any bass member had ever spent up

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there

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a lot of things come into question and

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a lot of the technology that has been

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developed

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in the last 20 30 40 years

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i think is coming at this point to the

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surface

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uh interesting i've heard a commercial

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by an israeli company that is promoting

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a new device it's supposed to replace

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the ipod

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it will beam music

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video games books movies

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anything straight into your brain

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without the need of headphones so there

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are no headphones it just goes straight

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into your

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brain and it is beamed in a way

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that nobody else around you can hear it

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it's just you and you can program this

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thing to where it follows you

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where it can be stationary and when i

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first thought when i first

404
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heard that i thought this is uh cannot

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be for real

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and then i researched it and finding out

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it actually is for real

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it exists and they are planning on

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rolling this out

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next year christmas so it's commercially

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developed it's it's just another

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basically the ipod 2.0

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so there are a lot of things that have

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been developed that have been

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put out that

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many years ago we would have said we're

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extraterrestrial

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you know we didn't have a better

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explanation for that

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when back in the day you know when

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there was lightning it was zeus throwing

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on lightning balls from the clouds

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because we couldn't explain what

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lightning was so i'm very cautious when

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it comes to

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classifying things

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i tend to stay away from it what

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i like to do is just observe and

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document the best i can without trying

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to stay

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clear of the many rabbit holes of trying

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to put

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an explanation to it because in the end

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i

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for that

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um anything that

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that we deem out of the ordinary

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becomes um something

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paranormal or extraterrestrial and i

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think

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that is by design that that is how it's

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designed to be

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um now i'm not doubting that there

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aren't any

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extraterrestrials i'm absolutely not

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doubting that at all

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and i'm not doubting that there's

448
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paranormal activity i have experienced

449
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:04,000
some of that

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uh throughout the years that is genuine

451
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but i also think we got to be very

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careful um

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to classify uh all things

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that we can't explain as as such

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because like the ranch showed and i'll

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get more into that

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uh further down this interview uh about

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these events and the book

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hunt for the skinwalker okay and how

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there was what we call in the

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intelligence

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community as priming

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subjective or subceptive of of

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events yet to come and when you prime

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something um it is much easier to get

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00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:02,000
into their mindset because you have

467
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,840
already laid the foundation and that's

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what i believe is happening and has

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happened

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um in the extraterrestrial arena

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and more specifically

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at skinwalker ranch and it's still

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happening it is still

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happening that way only on a

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much more defined level than

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than bass had done it but bastard laid

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the foundation and

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there's so much more to baths and we'll

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get into that as well

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um because we we laid that foundation

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um by by steering the narrative

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and we actively steered the narrative by

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design

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um going on on websites

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skinners comes to mind um we had at

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least

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website

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wow yeah it's a fascinating history

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amazing stuff and i agree with you chris

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uh a hundred percent on the et moniker

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and phrasing

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for the phenomenon et is just

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overused in my opinion i know we

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disagree on many things the way human

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beings

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should um as an intel officer once told

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me if someone agrees with you on

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everything watch

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out and it's so true uh getting back to

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bass

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and some of that i wanted to read really

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quick just going

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um to the uh what bass is and all of

504
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that but really quickly i wanted to read

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something a little more in this article

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to get your opinion of it

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because it's a little bit odd um a

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source told that

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they had to be ready for anything is

510
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where i think i left off and

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that includes anything from terrorists

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to human bio weapons where someone has

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been deliberately infected with a deadly

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bug

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all the way through to alien life forms

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and i know it sounds bonkers but the sas

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train for capture missions

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for every threat they can use a range of

519
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non-lethal weapons

520
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one of which involves spraying foam

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which covers the target and hardens

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rapidly

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preventing them from moving troops are

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understood to have trained alongside u.s

525
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special forces in america our source

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added most

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people believe that life on other

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planets exist

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einstein said in 1920 why should earth

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be the only planet supporting human life

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if you believe that then you must accept

532
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human life as a present threat so you

533
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,960
need to plan for it

534
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no one wants to kind of similar

535
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,520
publicity but no one wants to talk about

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00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,840
it publicly because it sounds crazy

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but it makes sense the late professor

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stephen hawkings warned against

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contacting little green men

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he once said if aliens visit us the

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outcome would be

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much like columbus landing in america

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and it didn't turn out well for the

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native americans

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in 2018 it emerged the timing is

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interesting

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00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,840
british defense experts had spent 50

548
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,520
years trying to catch a ufo so they

549
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could use the technology to build a new

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00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,880
super weapon

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00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,640
declassified files show that the

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government feared china or the soviet

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union

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impounded a ufo and were using its

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secrets to develop super fast

556
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,840
warplanes at bass did you come across

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00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,760
anything that kind of

558
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:34,159
well went across came across anything

559
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,120
like this and and

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can we tell our listeners what bass

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stands for because i know some don't

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bass stood for bigelow advanced

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space studies and uh

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optical aerospace advanced space studies

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baass

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it was a pretty small outfit

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00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,960
about give or take 75

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uh members of which

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00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,840
about 10 were

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00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,799
10 to 12 and the numbers always vary

571
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,520
were

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00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:14,880
dedicated to skinwalker ranch and then

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00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,600
the other part were investigators that

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00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,149
domestic meaning computer research as

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00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:28,559
well as

576
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,480
travels to investigate

577
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,279
potential sightings uh potential

578
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:36,480
interactions

579
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,559
and one of the teams actually also went

580
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:42,720
to brazil to

581
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:47,039
research uh some activity that involved

582
00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:47,440
some

583
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:50,679
of the natives out there so it was a

584
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:58,070
we worked out of a place we all called

585
00:26:03,190 --> 00:25:59,039
polaris

586
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,200
downtown las vegas

587
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,240
um off of spring street uh

588
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,360
by chinatown uh building

589
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:12,000
used to be in i guess an arcade of some

590
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,039
sort and then

591
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,159
uh right behind the um

592
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,080
budget suites of america which is a

593
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,080
bigelow enterprise

594
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,799
and i don't know if he acquired the

595
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,520
property

596
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,159
for bass or if fiore had owned it but

597
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:27,840
that's where we were

598
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:30,880
headquartered out of

599
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,480
facility also had included two

600
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,159
government certified safe systems

601
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,960
that house all kinds of stuff i was

602
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:42,720
privileged to get into one of them

603
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:45,760
i didn't see the other but

604
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:49,120
it was almost set up like a skiff

605
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,480
where you know you surrendered to your

606
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,360
cell phone

607
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:56,400
up on entry it was guarded by

608
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,760
uh armed guards but

609
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,120
um as so many things in the

610
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
world of bigelow uh there was also

611
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,679
access to

612
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,240
the open internet i guess partially

613
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,080
because that's what they

614
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,120
did as far as research

615
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,880
i didn't get too much into that during

616
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:18,880
my time at bass

617
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,000
but having worked in actual

618
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,279
top-secret military gifts uh

619
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,480
abroad um

620
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:31,760
it i i could see the concept

621
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,039
but it kind of lacked a little bit of

622
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,159
definition as far as

623
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:41,039
things i came across that were in line

624
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:42,080
with the

625
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,159
fas type stuff i guess

626
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,600
the closest thing to that would have

627
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,279
been the

628
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,399
um euro not ufo there the u-boat

629
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,600
um orders that i had received that

630
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,240
i translated from english uh me from

631
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,240
germany to english

632
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,440
um that was early on there was

633
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,520
within about my first couple of weeks

634
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:06,559
working

635
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,240
uh for bass or being hired on

636
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,360
wow and it's um

637
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,399
i spent some time the first week i i was

638
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,240
there spent in the library

639
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,559
which kind of i thought was odd in the

640
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:21,919
beginning

641
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,120
and they wanted me to just read

642
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,960
and there were many many different

643
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,320
journals and books

644
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:31,120
all touching on that very subject a lot

645
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:31,360
of

646
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,080
uh journals that had pictures in them

647
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:39,120
of of what appeared to be

648
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,480
um extraterrestrial craft uh

649
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,399
photographs all kinds of different

650
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:48,159
qualities some of them were really good

651
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:48,880
some of them

652
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,399
were more shadowy uh he had an

653
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,360
extensive library of things uh

654
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:56,720
pertaining to

655
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,480
that as far as i mean i

656
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,559
i was there when he did the 60-minute

657
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,320
interview i was

658
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,799
sitting right next to him uh i don't

659
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:07,520
know

660
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,640
i guess he felt the need to have like

661
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,360
some sort of a protection thing going i

662
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,720
don't know

663
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:17,120
but uh he alluded to that and some of it

664
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,080
got edited

665
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:20,399
uh later on in the interview but he made

666
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,360
mention

667
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:24,399
several times of them

668
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:27,760
uh being here and

669
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,960
argued that uh quite a bit

670
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:33,279
but i think parts of that later on when

671
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,640
the the actual show

672
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,679
aired were edited and stuff was cut out

673
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:40,720
so i mean i i did hear about that i i

674
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,360
did

675
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:44,720
um to some extent read about it

676
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,320
but again i don't know

677
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,159
there's so much spoken mirrors what's

678
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,840
real what is that what is

679
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,080
actual happen what's actually happening

680
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,080
and what is just part of a

681
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,440
conditioning of a of a priming

682
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:02,559
of um of

683
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,310
other things in mind um is it just

684
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,279
conditioning of

685
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,640
of at that point me as a person that was

686
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,399
working closely within the organization

687
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,480
or was it is it really

688
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,440
a priming that goes on for the broader

689
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:22,640
population

690
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:26,960
um when the sr-71 first took flight

691
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,240
the blackbird it was an ufo

692
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:33,279
when it came out of edwards uh turns out

693
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:33,600
it

694
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,240
a new aircraft that nobody had seen when

695
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,440
the u2 rolled out

696
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,880
it was the same thing um when the first

697
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,919
drones rolled out

698
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:48,640
it was ufos it was math fightings well

699
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,360
no it was

700
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:52,480
actually turns out drones so

701
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,080
i'm just very cautious um

702
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,000
do we have a need for a special forces

703
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,000
unit that tackles stuff like that

704
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:03,039
absolutely but it's just such a broad

705
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:03,760
spectrum

706
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:07,760
that it's so hard to comment and and be

707
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,880
realistic about it without making

708
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:13,039
conclusions without falling into the the

709
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:14,080
rat trap

710
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,480
of of ongoing rabbit holes mhm

711
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,159
and there's a lot of them i agree with

712
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,480
you on that and definitely

713
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,720
i when i when i first heard of your

714
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:25,840
experiences

715
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,840
had other than being met at

716
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,720
gunpoint at bigelow aerospace as far as

717
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,960
researching and translation included

718
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,399
those notes about

719
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,039
a nazi u-boat mission possibly showing a

720
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,320
belief in a hollow

721
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,559
earth theory maybe or other world of

722
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,240
sorts that might be

723
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,000
seriously pushing the envelope of

724
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:47,679
science in the military

725
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,559
and kind of pushing the envelope of the

726
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,080
military

727
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,120
operations which segues quite well into

728
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,640
the theory

729
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,799
that there is military involvement in

730
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,320
the uintah basin

731
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:03,600
by possibly multiple agencies and even

732
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,559
countries and the possibility that the

733
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,240
scary reality really

734
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,640
that uh they are pushing the envelope

735
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,559
and and you may have some information

736
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:15,600
along those lines

737
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,720
i actually i agree with you i think

738
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,279
there is more and more evidence showing

739
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,909
the ranch as we know it and you know it

740
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:28,880
um

741
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:32,080
you have property nearby and you can

742
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,720
overlook

743
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,799
the property and standing up at the

744
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:35,919
gravel pit

745
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,120
uh looking down it is

746
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,440
you know without all the the stuff that

747
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:44,720
that bass had leased

748
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:48,799
on to it it's like a 600 680 acre

749
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,159
property it's not all that big

750
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,279
it's square um in its

751
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:58,080
setup it's got clearly defined

752
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,200
boundaries

753
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,440
the river to the south and the mesa to

754
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:03,200
the north and then you've got eastgate

755
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:06,559
and west gate and pasture in between

756
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,440
um talking to

757
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,000
people that had it was during my time

758
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,240
while i was on the ranch we did a lot of

759
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:19,360
research that did not just

760
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:22,720
encompass the ranch itself we would go

761
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,120
out

762
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,080
and talk to locals we would go to

763
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,240
neighbors we would

764
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,960
be a clearing house for anyone that

765
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:31,919
wanted to call

766
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:35,519
us and and share information and wanted

767
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:36,840
us to research

768
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,399
and investigate

769
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,640
uh events and incidents that happened so

770
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,880
i was not just on the ranch i was all

771
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:45,519
around

772
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,440
as well going all the way down to

773
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:50,480
duchesne

774
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,909
i've had the the honor of talking with

775
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,559
one of the

776
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,559
ditch writers uh for those that don't

777
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,600
know what that is

778
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,640
it is a government position of a person

779
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:06,320
or person's

780
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,000
that keep and regulate

781
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,280
the water irrigation canals making sure

782
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,280
that nobody's stealing water

783
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,320
on watering days on off watering days

784
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,359
and also keeping them clear of debris

785
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,280
and and so forth um his name was jerry

786
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:28,560
and when i met him he was in his 50s

787
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,240
um super cool guy and

788
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:35,440
we talked and he mentioned

789
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:39,119
um almost on the sideline

790
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,119
that he grew up there

791
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,879
and i sort my ass kinda got big i was

792
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:48,639
like what do you mean by that

793
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,839
he goes well when i was a kid uh my

794
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,119
family

795
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,159
lived at the homestead 2 complex

796
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:59,359
that's where i spent many summers so

797
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,079
cool i'm like

798
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,560
what wait a minute you lived at

799
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,920
homestead 2. i said

800
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,240
yeah i spent my summers at homestead too

801
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,359
and uh the

802
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,359
the you know it's more than just one

803
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,200
building

804
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,160
and i worked on the ranch um the kappa

805
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,079
ranch we had

806
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:19,200
cattle and so

807
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,480
i asked him said wasn't that scary

808
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,800
and he looked at me almost bewildered he

809
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,480
said scary why

810
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:30,400
i said well all this stuff he goes there

811
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,000
was nothing

812
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:35,680
uh it it it was a ranch it was a cattle

813
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,240
ranch

814
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,520
there was no extra terrestrial

815
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:42,560
paranormal whatever you may want to call

816
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,359
it there was

817
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,800
none of that it was simply just like any

818
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,119
other property in the basin it was a

819
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:50,880
cattle ranch

820
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,280
that's what they did for a living and

821
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,160
he absolutely denied having ever

822
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,240
experienced anything out of the ordinary

823
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,920
in all these years he grew up there and

824
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:03,839
he was uh i think he lived in

825
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:07,520
in roosevelt

826
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,960
um and there's there are plenty of

827
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,599
others

828
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,480
that i had spoken with and then with

829
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,359
erica's

830
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,920
uh research we actually started digging

831
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,200
into this more

832
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,200
deeply and erica developed a lot of

833
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,040
different sources

834
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,359
that she spoke with and we did a lot of

835
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,720
trips up to the

836
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:29,520
to the area to interview these people

837
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:30,000
and

838
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,040
being the researcher that she is she's

839
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,880
like a pit bull my god when she's got

840
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,520
her teeth in something she won't let go

841
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,320
but we spoke to so many people that had

842
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:44,000
been there

843
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,160
grew up there uh had businesses there

844
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,880
respected people of the community a lot

845
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,640
of mormons

846
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:55,520
and uh there was always this consensus

847
00:37:00,190 --> 00:36:56,320
that

848
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,200
all this stuff started happening uh

849
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:03,839
1995-ish 1996-ish

850
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,760
when all of a sudden uh it became this

851
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,560
uh

852
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,839
paranormal central hub in the united

853
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:13,359
states

854
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:16,960
and based

855
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,839
other research that mostly erica has

856
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:22,720
done on this

857
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,839
and then keith basterfield and

858
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:28,400
and jack brewer and other people that i

859
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:35,430
and then some of the sources that i

860
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,320
spoke with

861
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,000
after uh departing baths i talked to

862
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:42,000
vegato i talked to i met other people

863
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,280
from from the

864
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:46,560
the bassfield bass team

865
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:51,200
we connected with quite a few of them

866
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,440
and it was like a mutual 21 questions

867
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,480
um i would ask about the cattle

868
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,599
modulations

869
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,200
um what they have because back in the

870
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,359
day we were kind of separated

871
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,640
the scientists were kept from

872
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,560
the researchers and the researchers were

873
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,240
kept from the scientists

874
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,440
we didn't interact yeah now we do

875
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:18,960
and it opens the door to a lot of

876
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,839
of different theories um and hypothesis

877
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,119
that are so far from the narrative

878
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,599
that has been put out over all these

879
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,359
years carefully crafted

880
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,560
and carefully put on billboards and

881
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,560
on one hand oh my god we are a secret

882
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,839
organization on the other

883
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,640
well here's a book come on everybody is

884
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,520
welcome

885
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,680
i mean that's up considered putting up a

886
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:45,520
hot dog stand by the gate because we had

887
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,560
people from

888
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,680
as far as japan and and europe and

889
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,920
the locals and it was like the big

890
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,920
disneyland attraction it was like space

891
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,280
mountain

892
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,400
um so i

893
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,640
the more i learn about it and it's an

894
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:02,640
ongoing process

895
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,800
the more i have developed a theory that

896
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:08,160
yes you're right

897
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:11,839
um there is involvement of

898
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:15,280
of tech companies that have

899
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,440
vested interest into that property

900
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:22,160
i believe now more than ever that

901
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,359
bigelow

902
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:26,960
was the landlord who subleased

903
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,560
the the property to whomever was willing

904
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:31,920
to pay

905
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,040
the the share um and

906
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:38,079
why not i mean here you had a place that

907
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:38,800
was

908
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,920
kind of isolated but then again not too

909
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:43,040
far

910
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,119
out there um you could

911
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,240
test and develop and and

912
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,640
and and bring all your newest greatest

913
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:53,920
stuff

914
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:57,599
without osha without media without

915
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:01,760
any liabilities without any

916
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:04,960
concern for your test

917
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,280
subjects and you could just play and

918
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,920
more and more i believe that from what

919
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:13,680
i'm understanding there may have been

920
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:17,119
some israeli companies involved

921
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,550
of course america big tech

922
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,680
and over the years uh they

923
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,480
were able to have and it's funny because

924
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:32,319
they mentioned that a lot

925
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,599
especially uh nap and company uh when

926
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,480
they talk about

927
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,599
a living laboratory and that's

928
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,200
it's so funny when you listen to the

929
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,960
language of these people like nap

930
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,760
corbell and all the clan there

931
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,960
um they tell you what it is you just

932
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,000
gotta listen

933
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:52,400
because they're so eager to tell and

934
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:53,040
they tell

935
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,200
so much they put it in it's like

936
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,640
that that certain ingredient in the

937
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,480
pudding it's the narrative

938
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,720
that they steer but they're always

939
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,319
putting

940
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:07,839
some of the reality mixed in with it

941
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:11,280
and the more i got my ears cartooned

942
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,440
to listening to what they are saying

943
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,480
and looking at um the for example the

944
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,599
klas

945
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,160
article that came out about the human

946
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,119
body as a retail system

947
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,760
connected to bass and the ranch the

948
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,200
information is out there

949
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,440
it's out there on open media you just

950
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,160
got to be able to filter

951
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,319
the nonsense from what they're really

952
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:37,760
saying

953
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,920
and so i know i embellished this a lot

954
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,640
but

955
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,200
coming back to your initial question yes

956
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:46,880
i do believe

957
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,119
that it it has been

958
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:54,319
a military government

959
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:57,760
orchestrated event

960
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,000
um that is

961
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,359
my theory uh and that's only my theory

962
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,560
going on to this day um and it's still

963
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:09,119
being

964
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,109
okay and yeah it's it's

965
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,920
interesting that you mention you know

966
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,520
bigelow well let's get to

967
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,839
uh it's funny that you mention many

968
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,560
things

969
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,119
um the synchronicities are so cool it's

970
00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:28,960
funny that you mentioned my property

971
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,280
which is

972
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,480
spacewolfresearch.com because it

973
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,400
literally like you said has a view of

974
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,480
every inch of that place somehow i don't

975
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,640
know why it's so strategically placed

976
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,680
but i really have noticed that there's

977
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,079
like you said it's there's so much more

978
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,000
to see there's everywhere to see and and

979
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,160
this is the place that you used to be a

980
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,200
a security guard at now um

981
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:54,319
i think the entire basin is kind of a

982
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,560
magical place and well uh you mentioned

983
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,359
zeus and the greeks and reality is when

984
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:03,200
it comes to my property it has been

985
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,160
attacked by

986
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:06,160
lightning you know or whatever you want

987
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,200
to call it and

988
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:10,240
you know it's easier for me to believe

989
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:11,200
in something like

990
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,040
zeus or uh a massive supreme being

991
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,720
and that he just zapped this because i

992
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,319
did something wrong that's my that was

993
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:19,520
my initial

994
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,200
human experience when it when i saw it

995
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,359
it was so unlikely that

996
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,359
you know we're so taught to believe in

997
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,440
this dogma and the

998
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,680
the crew anyway but that was my initial

999
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,880
thing so

1000
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,319
and then i realized that there's a lot

1001
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,240
more you know to this you know you don't

1002
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:37,599
have to believe in zeus and the greeks

1003
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,400
even though i do

1004
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,240
prefer to believe in something like that

1005
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,079
it's easier for me

1006
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,839
than the thing you're talking about

1007
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,119
because

1008
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,119
the uinta basin's a magical place you

1009
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,960
got to ride along with ditch riders

1010
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,079
which is a magical experience

1011
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,800
between you and i the water has a lot to

1012
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,480
do with the place and this

1013
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,760
this has historically been and explained

1014
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,640
in many ways

1015
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:03,200
both uh by the native americans and

1016
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,240
others one of which

1017
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,319
claims the souls of babies were tossed

1018
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,560
in and the water by ritualistic

1019
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,560
sacrifice and other scenarios and

1020
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,400
the entities along the waterways are

1021
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,160
quote unquote called water babies and

1022
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,200
other things

1023
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,119
and that these waterways have come to be

1024
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:18,240
known as kind of a

1025
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,599
area of magic but there are many other

1026
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:22,560
explanations

1027
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,160
including the belief that the military

1028
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:29,119
and the government have had a long

1029
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,910
you know it what i find interesting i

1030
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,400
mean

1031
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:41,760
if you go out to uh mccoy flats

1032
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,079
there is a nasa um

1033
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,240
structure uh i heard

1034
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,440
the rumors for years

1035
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,440
and i always kind of dismissed them as

1036
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,200
yeah whatever

1037
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,319
but um last fall

1038
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:03,200
erica and i went out there and actually

1039
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,000
um

1040
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,400
coordinates

1041
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:11,359
and since we go out there quite a bit

1042
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,319
anyways we

1043
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,040
figured we'll just go and and look for

1044
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,960
the coordinates and see if we can see

1045
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:19,599
what we've what we see

1046
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:24,400
low behold that was not a rumor

1047
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:28,319
there is a a concrete uh square

1048
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,880
that measures probably 25 feet by 25

1049
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,000
feet

1050
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,359
um that has a contraption

1051
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:41,520
um in the center of it

1052
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,040
that bears the nasa seal

1053
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,200
there are actually several of those on

1054
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:48,880
this platform

1055
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,000
that show a nasa insignia um and it's

1056
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,079
it's not counterfeit this is real

1057
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,200
um so i'm thinking they

1058
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,599
it it seems to be some sort of a

1059
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,560
transmitter

1060
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:03,920
station um the

1061
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,640
coordinates that we got showed four more

1062
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,200
of such installations and we looked

1063
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,359
from standing on in the center of this

1064
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,560
one

1065
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,680
we looked um at you couldn't get to them

1066
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,480
because they were

1067
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:19,119
on top of or unless you hiked up there

1068
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:19,599
there were

1069
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:22,960
antenna

1070
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,079
that were in the other four locations

1071
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,000
that were depicted on our coordinates

1072
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:33,680
map

1073
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,800
so there's

1074
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,680
um undeniable proof of a government

1075
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:40,720
entity

1076
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:44,000
that is up there and and and

1077
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:48,960
anybody can go up there and see it um

1078
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:52,319
you have a ton of of contractors up

1079
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:52,800
there

1080
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,200
uh halliburton is is heavily represented

1081
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:00,240
up in vernal and in

1082
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:03,760
roosevelt um of course

1083
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,190
going back to your property space wolf

1084
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,359
up there and i've driven by it many

1085
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,280
times eric and i

1086
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,400
uh every time we go up there we drive

1087
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,920
that little road that goes around the

1088
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:22,319
ranch and just look at

1089
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,000
what what appear to be like physical

1090
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,359
actually changes to

1091
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,480
the geography or new structures or

1092
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:33,920
whatnot

1093
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,040
what has always baffled me

1094
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,079
was back in the day when you

1095
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:43,760
were when you bought the place um

1096
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,119
you actually purchased it um

1097
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,319
at that time i was still uh

1098
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,599
communicating with brandon fugle the

1099
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,720
now uh owner of the property

1100
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,559
and so i sent him a text to say hey did

1101
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:59,760
you know that

1102
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,200
that ryan burns

1103
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,839
is buying and developing a place that

1104
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,319
has

1105
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,359
literally eighty percent of view of

1106
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:12,640
everything below everything and

1107
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,720
um he

1108
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,839
texted me back saying yeah yeah i know i

1109
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:20,960
know

1110
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,079
what baffled me about that is that

1111
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,640
with all the monies that this guy has

1112
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,240
that he didn't jump in

1113
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,440
because if i were conducting

1114
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:34,319
um whatever he's conducting i wouldn't

1115
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:34,720
want

1116
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:37,920
somebody that has a bird's eye view of

1117
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:41,200
my land but he didn't seem to care

1118
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,960
and then um back in the day i was still

1119
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,359
talking to skinner here and there and so

1120
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:49,200
skinner contacted me and said oh

1121
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,800
i told uh wintertime and

1122
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:55,599
the boys at the ranch that you know you

1123
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,000
were

1124
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,079
planning on i guess that was before you

1125
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,240
purchased it and he was met with the

1126
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,520
same

1127
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,240
uh national on type attitude like they

1128
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,920
didn't care

1129
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,119
and it gave me something to think about

1130
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,480
and it actually after

1131
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,480
playing different theories and different

1132
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,160
because i couldn't explain that in the

1133
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,599
beginning

1134
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,040
it it all of a sudden made perfect sense

1135
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:24,640
um it actually

1136
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,470
i would imagine

1137
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:35,520
that you may have had

1138
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:39,599
um chameleo-type experiences

1139
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,839
and events at that place

1140
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,040
while you were up there uh

1141
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:50,240
thus expanding the the stage

1142
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:53,359
from the ranch itself

1143
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:56,800
to properties that are surrounding and

1144
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:57,359
there's

1145
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,960
quite a few of them so it does make

1146
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:01,599
sense

1147
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:05,040
after all nothing up there happens on

1148
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,440
on chance everything's planned and

1149
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,559
everything is laid out what do you think

1150
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,040
about that

1151
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,160
yeah sometimes controlled opposition

1152
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,280
is the best opposition and uh

1153
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,599
there's so many theories and it's odd

1154
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,000
you mentioned that chris because

1155
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:29,839
i reached out as well um i reached out

1156
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:33,119
to some folks and said hey just so you

1157
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,079
know

1158
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,000
this place is for sale you guys should

1159
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,599
probably buy it because

1160
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:40,720
like you said it has a bird's-eye view

1161
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,040
of

1162
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,160
absolutely everything and i'm interested

1163
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:46,559
because of that fact

1164
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,839
and i did state that you know i

1165
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,160
was gonna try to play as nice as

1166
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,400
possible but holy cow this is a passion

1167
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,680
project for me and

1168
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:58,000
very interesting and and i wanted to be

1169
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:59,280
a part of it but i didn't want to step

1170
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,319
on any toes

1171
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,319
and like you said there was very little

1172
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,640
pushback so i don't know there's so many

1173
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,520
theories

1174
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,559
and the uh the epic

1175
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,720
bringing something you mentioned the

1176
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:12,559
epic scenario

1177
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,400
of well there's a lot going on

1178
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,559
that area used to be a very popular

1179
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:20,480
hangout slash

1180
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,240
make out spot and you know uh

1181
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,720
for security purposes and liability

1182
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,280
reasons

1183
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,040
it's no longer kind of open to the

1184
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,480
public and

1185
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,200
and so maybe that's a benefit however

1186
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,960
what i have noticed

1187
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,760
is that there's there's strange things

1188
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:39,440
that take place there's a

1189
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,319
an oil rig which is the closest one at

1190
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,319
least to what is quote unquote

1191
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:47,280
this oh i don't know natural natural

1192
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,079
formation

1193
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,760
a uh the older guys used to call it ufo

1194
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,640
alley

1195
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:55,200
it's it's a big basin in the basin i

1196
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,400
don't know what to call it it's

1197
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:59,119
it's the path of the shape shifter or

1198
00:52:03,750 --> 00:51:59,760
the

1199
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,760
legends so

1200
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,520
and it goes from dark canyon to dark

1201
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,599
canyon because everything is as above so

1202
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,480
below right

1203
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,800
and there's big arguments about which

1204
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,800
dark canyon you know all about this so

1205
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:15,520
the best neighbors might be somebody who

1206
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,160
uh

1207
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:18,640
has similar i don't know i really don't

1208
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:19,280
know and

1209
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,880
and it does it does bother me now

1210
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,359
because i have had many experiences up

1211
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:26,880
there as you have

1212
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,160
um but they're not as well documented

1213
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:32,319
and at least back in the day i want to

1214
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:33,520
discuss

1215
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,800
you know some of the amazing experiences

1216
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,400
that you were able to document and your

1217
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,599
theories

1218
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:42,480
um among other things about what could

1219
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:46,880
be behind them

1220
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:52,960
um as far as the stuff that

1221
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,480
i i personally experienced

1222
00:53:03,270 --> 00:52:59,520
um it was

1223
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:03,280
interesting in the beginning because we

1224
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,880
it i was with bass for about four weeks

1225
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,000
five weeks uh until i got my first

1226
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:13,040
marching orders to go up there

1227
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:16,640
and um i had read

1228
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,240
a lot alright read the uh skinwalker

1229
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:23,200
i was a perfectly conditioned and primed

1230
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,760
subject

1231
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:26,800
to go up and

1232
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,160
the big theme that

1233
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,559
was kind of spun across the whole

1234
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:34,319
project was

1235
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:37,680
that none of these events none of this

1236
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:41,599
so-called quote-unquote paranormal stuff

1237
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:45,920
could ever be truly documented because

1238
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:49,599
it was random it was uncontrollable

1239
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,920
it happened when you least expected it

1240
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,520
and in the beginning that kind of held

1241
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,839
truth for a while anything that the

1242
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,640
sherman's

1243
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,440
uh experienced that's documented in that

1244
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:02,559
book

1245
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,079
um i ultimately over six years

1246
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:09,520
experienced in either the exact same or

1247
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,400
similar

1248
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,230
there was a very high turnover a lot of

1249
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,079
people that went up

1250
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,920
bass personnel never went up a second

1251
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,359
time because they

1252
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,680
just lost their cookies because there

1253
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:25,760
was a lot of weird stuff

1254
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,000
but having had the background

1255
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,040
and having worked

1256
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:36,240
uh in in military intelligence and

1257
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,000
having ran uh the mpi office out of

1258
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,440
bagram for the whole

1259
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,240
southern district of afghanistan and and

1260
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:47,839
looking at things from a different

1261
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:48,799
perspective

1262
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,839
and different schooling and different

1263
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,480
backgrounds

1264
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:55,760
i i wasn't ready quite yet to

1265
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,750
my experiences in life

1266
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:09,109
everything repeats everything is a

1267
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:09,680
repeat

1268
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:12,799
there there is no such thing as a

1269
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:16,240
a lone standing event there

1270
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,240
is always a cause and an effect nothing

1271
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:22,799
just happens out of the blue

1272
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:26,000
nothing so i started looking at it from

1273
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:30,559
that angle and soon i realized

1274
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,400
that there truly were only about

1275
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,720
five different types of events that took

1276
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:38,720
place at the ranch

1277
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,240
um and they weren't random they were

1278
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,280
tied to specific geographical

1279
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:48,400
locations they were

1280
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:51,839
repetitive they were

1281
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:54,960
um similar

1282
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,400
if not identical and so i started

1283
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:01,440
writing very very detailed reports

1284
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:09,750
reprinted in a publication

1285
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:13,599
i'm putting out so that i can shine some

1286
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,240
light

1287
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,000
into this whole thing and maybe put some

1288
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:18,960
of the rumors to rest

1289
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,000
um what would happen at

1290
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,280
the trailer where we stayed

1291
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,319
would only happen at the trailer

1292
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,200
these events these type of events the

1293
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,280
type of events that would take place

1294
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,480
at homestead 2 compound would

1295
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,440
only manifest themselves at homestead 2

1296
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,640
compound

1297
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,400
nowhere else on the ranch they wouldn't

1298
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,160
happen at the river they wouldn't happen

1299
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,760
on the mesa

1300
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,480
events that took place in and around the

1301
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,359
mesa

1302
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,920
would not cross over to anywhere else on

1303
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,839
the property and events that happened at

1304
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,520
the river

1305
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,559
would not cross over towards the

1306
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:01,680
the central um pasture or into

1307
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,160
of cell seldomly into the pasture or

1308
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:09,280
um to the mesa so i started noticing a

1309
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:18,309
started looking at that more closely

1310
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,079
also looked at the time frames

1311
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,640
when would this happen what what times

1312
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,720
of day because i was out there

1313
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,440
uh i wasn't just i mean part of my gig

1314
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:30,400
was to keep

1315
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,000
uh people off the property but

1316
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:37,680
i would say about 70 of what i did was

1317
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,960
researching and documenting and i had 24

1318
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,799
hours a day to do that and i did

1319
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:45,359
i slept very little um i was out there

1320
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:46,319
day and night

1321
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,000
and i never used hardly ever did i use

1322
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,000
electric light or a flashlight

1323
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,440
i was able to blend in and became part

1324
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,680
of my environment

1325
00:58:01,030 --> 00:58:00,079
um for several reasons security was one

1326
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,040
of them

1327
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,440
because there were a lot of people that

1328
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:05,040
were under the idea that we were some

1329
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,079
sort of hybrids

1330
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,119
that were immortal and so i was always

1331
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:10,720
worried about a 30 odd six

1332
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:14,079
pointed at me from the hill somewhere

1333
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:23,109
to go into into more depth of this

1334
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:28,079
so at the trailer the events were

1335
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,349
you would find on occasion

1336
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,359
a wallet that you knew you left on your

1337
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,119
nightstand

1338
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:42,720
before going out in the refrigerator

1339
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,200
or in the freezer um you would find

1340
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,040
that at some point we used to go to

1341
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:50,960
vernal for shopping once a week

1342
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,000
on on when thursdays and so

1343
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,440
i made that my laundry day

1344
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,960
so at some point i had taken all my

1345
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,720
loose change out of my pocket put it on

1346
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,839
the nightstand just

1347
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,079
just you know just taking out the pocket

1348
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:05,520
placing on the nightstand

1349
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:09,119
when i came back from the shopping trip

1350
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:12,799
uh all my currency was arranged

1351
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,839
by serial number and

1352
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,680
pennies with pennies and dimes with

1353
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:19,280
dimes and nickels with nickels and

1354
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,480
quarters with quarters

1355
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:23,520
all uh heads up facing

1356
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:27,119
to the uh southwest

1357
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,799
and all sorted by um serial numbers of

1358
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,640
the coins

1359
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,480
so there were a lot of events one of the

1360
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:37,040
the most significant

1361
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,240
and this happened and and chris partel

1362
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:43,119
when we were up as as a duo and we went

1363
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,230
my partner up there uh

1364
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,160
before we started doing the solo trips

1365
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:53,520
after the

1366
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,680
osap contract no longer existed

1367
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:01,040
but chris and i noticed this a lot

1368
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:01,680
together

1369
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,960
where there were doors opened

1370
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,799
there was no wind speed we had a weather

1371
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,480
station and there no wind

1372
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,200
the whole trailer was crooked uh set on

1373
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,559
blocks had it been

1374
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:15,440
set up in in many years uh the doors

1375
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:15,920
opened

1376
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,119
you had really um because this whole

1377
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,040
thing was shifted

1378
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:23,359
and so there's no way a door just opens

1379
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,400
by itself especially when you have to

1380
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:27,280
put about 15 pounds of force to open it

1381
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,000
and yank on

1382
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,920
it so um we've seen that a lot together

1383
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:33,760
where doors opened where

1384
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:37,520
stuff was thrown uh items moved

1385
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,280
um everybody has their routine where

1386
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,920
you know i get up i make coffee and i

1387
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,440
got my coffee mug right next to the

1388
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,119
coffee maker in the kitchen

1389
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,960
and go to the restroom i come back and

1390
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,480
all of a sudden my coffee cup is no

1391
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,000
longer where i have placed it

1392
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,839
it's sitting on the living room table in

1393
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:55,599
the living room which is about 20 feet

1394
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,000
away

1395
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,599
i i didn't put it there i know that i'm

1396
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:59,760
not crazy why would i do that i've never

1397
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,640
done that

1398
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,319
and this happened more often and the

1399
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:05,040
crowning event and that was

1400
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,799
i said at my desk and i

1401
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,040
wrote parsley wrote the report for the

1402
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,040
next day

1403
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,680
um usually did that around 10 ish at

1404
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:16,640
night where i

1405
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:19,520
recaptured what happened up until that

1406
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:20,400
point

1407
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:24,400
of time and i hear the outer the front

1408
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,799
door

1409
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:27,200
there are stairs going up mobile home

1410
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:30,319
type stairs you know the rickety ones

1411
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,000
uh and i hear footsteps and i'm turning

1412
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,119
and there are two doors uh in the front

1413
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:39,520
entryway one is a glass door storm door

1414
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,160
the other one

1415
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,799
is which opens to the outside the other

1416
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:43,839
one

1417
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,480
um is like the the house door which

1418
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,480
opens to the inside

1419
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:51,599
and the outer doors being thrown open

1420
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:54,640
and the inner door is almost as if

1421
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:58,160
kicked it flies open with a loud bang

1422
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,760
with a force that it hits it smashes it

1423
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:02,880
into the wall

1424
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:06,559
and it bounces back halfway um

1425
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,920
there are distinct footsteps in my house

1426
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,400
as i'm sitting behind my desk and not

1427
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,079
only footsteps

1428
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:16,240
but the trailer used to because it's

1429
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,119
sitting on

1430
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:19,680
on on blocks and it's got a very

1431
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:20,640
specific

1432
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:24,160
sound to it a creaking it creaks

1433
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,880
differently

1434
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:27,119
in the living room then it creaks

1435
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,319
walking through the kitchen

1436
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,400
and it yet creaks differently when you

1437
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:32,319
walk towards the washer and dryer and

1438
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:32,880
rear

1439
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:36,880
exit area very distinct sounds

1440
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,160
and you could and because the

1441
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,400
there was no support for the floor it

1442
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:43,920
also

1443
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,680
gave way where you could feel

1444
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:50,720
somebody walking it it kind of you know

1445
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,119
like

1446
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,319
walking on a hollow surface

1447
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,400
it kind of gives way a little bit and

1448
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,160
you could feel

1449
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:01,119
a person walking you could hear the

1450
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:01,760
boots

1451
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:05,520
feel the creak

1452
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:08,559
of the floor and this

1453
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,839
individual entered front door

1454
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,079
walked behind me walked through the

1455
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,160
trailer

1456
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,240
the living room the kitchen and then

1457
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:19,680
exited

1458
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:24,240
the the back door and then i could hear

1459
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:28,240
um footsteps walking on the wooden deck

1460
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,680
in the the back door

1461
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:34,799
and the individual then walked down the

1462
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:38,559
about eight stairs um off the deck

1463
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:42,839
so it was a clearly audible experience

1464
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,240
and i immediately

1465
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,319
um of course when this all took place i

1466
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:50,240
said they go like what the hell is

1467
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:51,200
happening

1468
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:54,799
sure and i looked at my weather data

1469
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,200
and the wind speed was two miles an hour

1470
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:01,680
um so there was nothing that could have

1471
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,720
caused any of this

1472
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:07,200
and i started i picked up my camera

1473
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,760
which is

1474
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:10,000
always within arms reach of me and i

1475
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,039
looked for

1476
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:13,359
any kind of residual trying to capture

1477
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:20,630
energy and there wasn't any

1478
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:24,480
which then led me to expand on that

1479
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:25,119
experi

1480
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:29,520
very long shutter speed

1481
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,720
in by bigelow's uh bedroom

1482
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,839
facing the entire trailer

1483
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,920
length capturing the living room the

1484
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:39,440
kitchen

1485
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,960
and the hallway towards the the back

1486
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:44,319
area

1487
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:47,839
and randomly um in black and white

1488
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:52,319
um took about 500 or so pictures

1489
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:55,760
different times of day and night um

1490
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:59,200
remotely controlled and my shutter speed

1491
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:02,559
was probably at about 15 20 seconds

1492
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,680
so it was wide open i used the 56

1493
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:07,119
millimeter lens

1494
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:10,480
um which captured the the the

1495
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:13,839
trailer perfectly and um

1496
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,799
had my white balance set to to

1497
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:17,680
perfection

1498
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:20,640
and over the 500 pictures i started

1499
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:21,839
seeing things

1500
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,119
i started seeing um

1501
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:27,599
what appeared to be like a shadowy

1502
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:28,559
movement

1503
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,400
in some pictures i could see where

1504
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:36,000
uh some items of background were blurry

1505
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,470
there was something that from time to

1506
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:45,839
time was present

1507
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:49,599
in that trailer that

1508
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:53,359
i couldn't see with my naked eyes

1509
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:56,400
but my camera with the settings that it

1510
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,039
was

1511
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,400
i had dialed in could um

1512
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:03,119
it i could identify what it was but i

1513
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:04,079
could identify

1514
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:07,359
that whatever it was was not stationary

1515
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:11,200
it was uh mobile and it blurred out

1516
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:12,480
different things

1517
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:16,319
um and usually that happened in a series

1518
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:17,599
of about

1519
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,160
you know three four pictures

1520
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:25,440
so i started

1521
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:29,039
really giving that some thought also

1522
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,799
strange lights that happened

1523
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:35,440
then there were apparitions that took

1524
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,160
place

1525
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,880
uh within the trailer uh most notably

1526
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,880
there was an old native american male

1527
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:42,559
that looked as real as

1528
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,000
as me looking at erica right now

1529
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,119
uh that appeared out of nowhere and

1530
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,960
he was there for a while that i was

1531
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,119
doing dishes and i just felt there was a

1532
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,559
presence i turned around boom there's

1533
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,079
this guy standing there in my living

1534
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:02,549
a lot of these weird things that only

1535
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,079
specifically happened at that trailer

1536
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,359
nowhere else on the ranch um

1537
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:12,480
disembodied voices could be heard

1538
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:15,839
at homestead 2. um

1539
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,599
one of the the weird things um

1540
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:22,319
my dogs i had you know bella ruka and

1541
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:22,720
max

1542
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,400
later on william whenever i went

1543
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:28,000
in that area and i spent a lot of time

1544
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,839
in that area

1545
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:32,160
um they almost appear to be playing

1546
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,119
fetch

1547
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:35,839
with i mean all three dogs would sit

1548
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:36,480
there and look

1549
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:39,839
with their tags uh you know

1550
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,280
i mean their tails uh waggling

1551
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,559
looking up at something

1552
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:49,440
or somebody and all that chunks hanging

1553
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:49,760
out

1554
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,920
and then it seemed like all three all of

1555
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:53,359
a sudden would

1556
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,799
charge running after an object and

1557
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:59,440
um whichever dog got there first would

1558
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:00,880
pick up

1559
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:04,160
this invisible object and return it back

1560
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,039
and drop it

1561
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:08,079
i mean all the facial the body movement

1562
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:08,400
was

1563
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,640
the the person that threw the stick or

1564
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,000
the stick itself

1565
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:17,920
and sometimes they played this game for

1566
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:21,359
15 minutes sometimes for five minutes

1567
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,960
so these were all very specific events

1568
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,359
tied to very specific geographical

1569
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:28,799
locations

1570
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:32,400
tied to very specific times

1571
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:35,920
and more and more the whole

1572
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:39,440
theory of oh you can't document because

1573
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,120
it's the paranormal is random

1574
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,440
and it doesn't like to get photographed

1575
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:47,279
and

1576
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,719
on that note um i wonder how many people

1577
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:54,000
actually knew that there wasn't a

1578
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,799
single working camera on that property

1579
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:01,440
the ones that people took pictures off

1580
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:02,000
that

1581
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:05,679
they theorized were security cameras

1582
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,199
i bought them off amazon for like 14.95

1583
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,440
a pop and got reimbursed for it one of

1584
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,960
the very few things was big little

1585
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,560
stingy

1586
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,560
um they had two double a batteries in

1587
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,400
the back and a red blinking light to

1588
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,560
create the illusion

1589
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:23,759
of being

1590
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:27,359
cameras the whole ranch was

1591
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:31,600
one big illusion it was a mind screw

1592
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:35,359
it still is there was no surveillance

1593
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,480
none zero we had

1594
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:41,279
some game cameras replaced but before

1595
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,560
they could be placed

1596
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,679
bigelow himself had to give

1597
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,719
the thumbs up and he dictated

1598
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,880
where they could be placed between what

1599
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,040
times they could be placed

1600
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,080
well i broke the rules

1601
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:59,280
quite often and i placed them

1602
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,520
where i wanted to place them at times

1603
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:03,840
that were not authorized

1604
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:06,880
and i did catch some interesting stuff

1605
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:10,880
wow um so the more and more

1606
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,159
i took those pieces and

1607
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,320
looked at them individually and then

1608
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,320
combined them

1609
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:21,679
the more i i formed a theory

1610
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,040
that these things were not random that

1611
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,400
they were very well structured

1612
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:31,760
that they were going for

1613
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:35,920
very specific test results

1614
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,440
um to back that up

1615
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,280
in the first couple of years i went up

1616
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,600
there when we got back and that was just

1617
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:44,960
not just me that

1618
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:48,400
that was chris partel and others

1619
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:52,159
we went into deep reefs uh with colin

1620
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:52,880
kelleher

1621
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,400
and and robert bigelow up at park house

1622
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,719
and they could last anywhere from half

1623
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,199
an hour to two hours

1624
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:02,960
and in the beginning especially in the

1625
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:06,000
beginning um

1626
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,760
it always baffled me the the questions

1627
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:11,679
um so i would basically the way it would

1628
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:12,880
roll

1629
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,960
is i would give an account and they

1630
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,040
would have my printed reports in front

1631
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:18,400
of them

1632
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,920
um i would give an account oral account

1633
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:23,600
of

1634
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:27,120
my deployment and then they would go

1635
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,719
into specific

1636
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,360
questions and the way and what they

1637
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,400
asked was what really kind of got me

1638
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:38,159
so another event and this is particular

1639
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:42,239
specific to homestead 2. um

1640
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:46,320
they we all had the same

1641
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,679
experiences at homestead 2. um

1642
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:53,520
erica was able to get reports going back

1643
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:56,719
way beyond my time before i started and

1644
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:58,640
we we read through those and it's the

1645
01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:00,120
same thing happened there

1646
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,520
2010 2008

1647
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,440
2005.

1648
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,520
different people same same same effects

1649
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:11,199
same events

1650
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,199
so one of the the side effects of being

1651
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:17,920
in the area of homestead 2 and i started

1652
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:18,800
measuring it

1653
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:23,040
it's about a 50 feet radius around

1654
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,480
the central building at homestead 2

1655
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:32,149
physiological effects kick in or can

1656
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:32,719
kick in

1657
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:41,120
vertigo migraine type

1658
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:45,440
symptoms overall confusion

1659
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:49,120
extreme emotional mood swings

1660
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:52,520
into depression almost

1661
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:00,470
up to diarrhea so a lot of

1662
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:03,280
of very specific physiological changes

1663
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,679
that

1664
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,440
you did not have when you left the

1665
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,120
trailer

1666
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:08,960
that you experienced typically within

1667
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:12,239
about a 50 feet radius of

1668
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:15,840
the central building so

1669
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:19,280
when we did the deep brief um

1670
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:22,480
column would ask and then bigelow would

1671
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,400
jump in they weren't asking me

1672
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:29,760
if i had seen anything

1673
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,040
or my surroundings or

1674
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,719
if there was anything out of the

1675
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,320
ordinary

1676
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:38,640
when i started experiencing these

1677
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:39,520
symptoms

1678
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:42,640
and none of this mattered

1679
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:45,520
as if they expected that to be the the

1680
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,080
onset

1681
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,960
or the the stage itself but what they

1682
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:49,920
were asking

1683
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:53,120
were uh stuff like

1684
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,840
so when you experienced when the nausea

1685
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:56,800
came on

1686
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,400
did it come on rapidly

1687
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,960
did it come on like in a creeping kind

1688
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,400
of fashion

1689
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,040
did it start in your stomach did you

1690
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,000
have any kind of a taste in your mouth

1691
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:12,000
specifically a metallic taste in your

1692
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,920
mouth

1693
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,320
when you started feeling vertigo was

1694
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:18,480
that something that started in your

1695
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,520
head was it something that started

1696
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,920
somewhere was it like an overall body

1697
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,600
experience

1698
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:28,320
uh tinnitus um when did you start

1699
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:29,679
hearing tonight is when

1700
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:32,880
did the did the ringing in your ear

1701
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:36,080
coincide with the onset of nausea or did

1702
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,040
it come after

1703
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,520
or did it come before as an onset to the

1704
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,520
nausea

1705
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,679
she throw up when you threw up what kind

1706
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,520
of throw up was it solid

1707
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:48,960
was it liquid was it like

1708
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:52,560
flammy um did your did you feel

1709
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,840
a nose strip did you i mean it was

1710
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:56,000
specifically

1711
01:15:02,550 --> 01:14:59,600
physiological medical questions

1712
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:02,560
um not ever came it up that they asked

1713
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:03,040
so

1714
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,880
did you hear a loud bang or did you see

1715
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:07,280
anything or none of this mattered

1716
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:10,960
it was strictly a detailed

1717
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:14,080
medical questions of which column took

1718
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,520
notes

1719
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:18,000
if you combine that with later on where

1720
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,800
bartel

1721
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,880
me and we identified five others were

1722
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:22,719
flown to reno

1723
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:25,840
and for i

1724
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:29,440
i am 95 sure chris patel is 100

1725
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,040
sure was picked up by kit green

1726
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,239
at the airport and got mris done

1727
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,080
on a sunday afternoon at a clinic that

1728
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:40,080
was absolutely winky dink

1729
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,790
where the person that picked us up and

1730
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:48,800
conducted the mri scans

1731
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:57,030
he was a rent

1732
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:01,120
on type person and a contractor

1733
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:08,470
operated very differently than than you

1734
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:09,600
would expect your

1735
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:14,800
typical md um to act

1736
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,480
when we went up there were told that

1737
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:21,600
they wanted to see of if our

1738
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:25,600
um um they called the antenna

1739
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:28,960
the caudate um what is it erica

1740
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,590
i'm not a medical guy but anyways it is

1741
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:43,040
supposedly

1742
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:48,719
a part of your brain that um direct

1743
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,960
emotions uh physiological effects

1744
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:56,080
also the part responsible for putting

1745
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:59,679
um hormones in your system

1746
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,800
is the part that runs the fight or

1747
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:04,880
flight

1748
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:08,239
contributes to anger

1749
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,070
aggression so we were told

1750
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:21,199
that they wanted to see if

1751
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:24,880
the caudate was somehow affected by our

1752
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:29,199
close interaction with the paranormal

1753
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:34,000
because chris and i were out there

1754
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:37,760
always and we wrote the reports detailed

1755
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:44,149
a lot and so i guess that's why we were

1756
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:45,920
chosen because we had

1757
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:48,960
the most interaction with whatever

1758
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:52,320
it was that was out there so

1759
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,080
i looked at at

1760
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,120
the specific medical questions that

1761
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,400
we were asked um by column

1762
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,040
and and bigelow it was not something

1763
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:07,920
where you could say you know what

1764
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,040
not doing it um

1765
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,679
we both had mortgages to pay and not

1766
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,760
doing it would have cost us our jobs

1767
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,360
and that would have put me back on

1768
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:18,880
unemployment so i really didn't have a

1769
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:19,600
choice

1770
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:22,880
i was kind of at a stranglehold by

1771
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:27,520
by uh rbt and and company

1772
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:30,880
so it wasn't much option there

1773
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:36,790
looking back now and having read robert

1774
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,440
guffy's

1775
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,080
camellio which i've talked to robert

1776
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:42,159
extensively about the book after i read

1777
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:42,719
it

1778
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:45,920
and picked his brain the parallels

1779
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,040
between uh camille and the setting that

1780
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,320
he describes in it are mirroring

1781
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:57,520
the ranch setting sometimes to a t

1782
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:00,880
that is amazing and they came out of

1783
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:01,840
different timelines

1784
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:05,520
so very amazing and robert duffy is not

1785
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,040
quite really that familiar with the

1786
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:08,800
ranch so these projects are

1787
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:13,199
entirely independent from one another

1788
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:17,679
but yeah so do i think

1789
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:22,640
more than think that there has been

1790
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:26,400
private and government entities involved

1791
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:29,840
in the so-called living laboratory at

1792
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,709
absolutely i do absolutely i do

1793
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:39,280
okay and chris i'm glad you say that

1794
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,080
because

1795
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,560
you also mentioned awsap no longer

1796
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:44,000
existing and i'm going to get into that

1797
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,960
in a second but

1798
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:47,440
firstly i'd like to pipe up and say i

1799
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,800
agree with you 100

1800
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,719
that you can in fact engage with

1801
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,400
whatever this is

1802
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,800
as an observer and it can be documented

1803
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:56,080
what you do with that is the big

1804
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:56,800
question

1805
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,239
and secondly having run military

1806
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:01,760
operations

1807
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:05,360
do you believe someone who has had

1808
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:07,920
wartime experiences is possibly more

1809
01:20:13,149 --> 01:20:10,480
prone to these type of

1810
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:13,159
uh experiences technology or

1811
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,110
i don't really think that

1812
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:23,520
it plays a lot into it i think the

1813
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:25,840
difference is i mean i was a

1814
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:29,280
in in civilian law enforcement for years

1815
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:32,320
before i got into

1816
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:35,840
the military stuff and um

1817
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:39,199
yes i mean one thing and you gotta keep

1818
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,679
in mind also that

1819
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,600
out of all these people that were up

1820
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:45,679
there i mean for bigelow

1821
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:49,360
the requirement to work for aerospace

1822
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:53,360
or baths was that you had to have

1823
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:56,320
five years of either civilian law

1824
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:57,120
enforcement

1825
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,560
or military um

1826
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:03,600
in order to even you know

1827
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,360
sign the application however out of all

1828
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:10,320
the people at the ranch uh that i worked

1829
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,239
with i can speak for the ones prior to

1830
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,520
me

1831
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:16,320
but i was the only one that actually had

1832
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:17,120
uh

1833
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:20,320
actual combat experience and

1834
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:24,560
um i was the only one that had

1835
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,000
uh also a fight or flight experience i

1836
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:30,320
was involved in a deadly force incident

1837
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,280
in my

1838
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,400
civilian law enforcement career and so i

1839
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,719
i kind of knew how i would react to

1840
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:37,760
things

1841
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:40,719
but many of them that were up there were

1842
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:41,199
also

1843
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:45,199
just air force privates or army privates

1844
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:51,120
um e4s or e5s that had never deployed

1845
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:55,199
that came from a military kind of a

1846
01:22:03,990 --> 01:21:58,320
lineage but had not

1847
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:09,510
violence in in that type shape and form

1848
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:13,120
i think by putting me

1849
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:17,360
up there they almost did themselves

1850
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:20,560
a disservice because i

1851
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:24,560
wasn't eating it the way it was dished

1852
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:28,080
i asked a lot of questions

1853
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:33,520
and questions that others didn't ask

1854
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,560
starting with the

1855
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:39,840
lack of equipment there was no

1856
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,830
there were a handful of gas station type

1857
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:49,840
flashlights

1858
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,040
there were about eight or so

1859
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,520
uh click point and shoot cameras those

1860
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:56,800
little olympuses

1861
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,320
that you know fit in your pocket

1862
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,960
that didn't have a zoom function or any

1863
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:03,840
kind of function

1864
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:07,040
so you took a picture pretty much

1865
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,800
after dusk you had orbs and you had all

1866
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,239
this crazy stuff

1867
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:15,440
and i think again that was by design um

1868
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:18,400
to further the myth this was dust and

1869
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,960
pollen

1870
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:21,360
and other crap in the air these weren't

1871
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:22,719
orbs

1872
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,800
however it was interesting for me to see

1873
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:26,800
when i walked into this one vault

1874
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,320
at polaris there were

1875
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:33,600
rows i'm talking about 15

1876
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,360
20 uh super high-tech

1877
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:40,480
canon cameras with every lens

1878
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,159
that you could imagine every

1879
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:47,520
belt and whistles and the equipment was

1880
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:48,080
there

1881
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:52,000
i mean set in the safe he didn't give us

1882
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:55,520
anything um there were

1883
01:24:08,149 --> 01:23:59,280
some stationary game camps that

1884
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:11,830
probably coming out of vietnam

1885
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:16,159
and the thermal imaging device we had

1886
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,600
when it worked um it was battery powered

1887
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:21,520
it took about

1888
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:24,480
three minutes to even come online uh

1889
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,600
where you could use it

1890
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:27,199
to you went through all the testing and

1891
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:29,040
warm-up processes

1892
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,159
and then um if you had it

1893
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,400
actually on it you could only it would

1894
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,840
only last about an hour

1895
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,520
hour and a half and then it would die

1896
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,199
the batteries were depleted

1897
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:41,440
but let's say you did see something that

1898
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:43,120
you want to verify with

1899
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,320
with thermal imaging um you were in that

1900
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:48,560
in that situation where either you turn

1901
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,440
it off

1902
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,800
and then you have to wait three minutes

1903
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,719
for it to come back on

1904
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:55,120
or you leave it on but then you only

1905
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:55,920
have about

1906
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,280
an hour and a half of of using of time

1907
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,520
where you can actually utilize it

1908
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,800
and that was it that was it that was the

1909
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,560
only equipment that was there there was

1910
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:07,760
nothing

1911
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,400
um so walking into the place

1912
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:15,840
i was like this looks like a

1913
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:18,880
a budget suites of america is sweet

1914
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,159
it looks like a hotel room

1915
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,239
there was nothing that was specifically

1916
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:25,760
geared towards any kind of

1917
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,000
research of any type which of course

1918
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:33,040
you know i started uh bringing my own

1919
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:33,679
stuff

1920
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:37,440
and some of it was authorized

1921
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:41,679
others i didn't mention um

1922
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,629
used it brought it did my my stuff with

1923
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,320
it did my experiments with it

1924
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:53,760
um i brought infrared cameras

1925
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,679
that i purchased myself i bought

1926
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:57,840
infrared camcorders

1927
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:02,239
um i bought motion detecting devices

1928
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:07,840
um brought my own night vision

1929
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:11,600
of course my own camera with my

1930
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:14,719
uh array of of lenses that i utilized

1931
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:17,920
and a lot

1932
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:24,550
yeah it just baffled me that there was

1933
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:27,600
nothing to work with and

1934
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,000
it goes back into was there really

1935
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:35,199
a specific target on military

1936
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,639
members i don't know

1937
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:40,639
i don't know the answer to that because

1938
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:42,880
if you want to establish a baseline

1939
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:46,239
of people that have been preconditioned

1940
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:50,800
to certain um um

1941
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:53,840
outputs of hormones due to violence

1942
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:57,120
and aggression and panic

1943
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,440
and fear um you would have to do

1944
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:03,440
some sort of a baseline that would

1945
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:04,880
include

1946
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:07,840
a psychological profile to get that very

1947
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:08,560
specific

1948
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:11,760
target group um

1949
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:14,239
it'd be interesting to see if he used

1950
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:15,840
for example

1951
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:19,600
people that are affected with ptsd

1952
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:23,520
how would they react to these events

1953
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,639
but you wouldn't know and ptsd is

1954
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,480
nothing that is just something that can

1955
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:30,080
be acquired in combat

1956
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,000
or law enforcement but i wanted to bet

1957
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,880
that a lot of people that have seen

1958
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,679
something

1959
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:40,000
that blew their mind a car accident that

1960
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:41,520
they witnessed

1961
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:44,800
uh trauma nurses in hospitals

1962
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:47,760
uh children that see their dog run over

1963
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:48,800
by

1964
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,239
a vehicle in the street i mean pta ptsd

1965
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:53,840
is something that

1966
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:57,040
can occur from so many different

1967
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:00,880
sources not just as so much talked about

1968
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:04,320
combat i mean

1969
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,679
it does exist but in order to form

1970
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:09,679
a target group that you would

1971
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,800
specifically experiment on

1972
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,800
you would have to lay a foundation you

1973
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:16,639
would have to

1974
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:19,600
do at the very least a couple of written

1975
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,480
site tests

1976
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:23,280
to see where people are mentally but

1977
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,920
that never

1978
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:26,239
did happen at the ranch there were no

1979
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:27,440
such things it

1980
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:30,639
the turnover was so high yeah

1981
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:33,040
that um it seemed like cannon fodder

1982
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:34,560
because a lot of people like i said

1983
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:38,080
were up there for a tour my very first

1984
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:41,280
partner alex um

1985
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:44,560
we were both newbies that was our first

1986
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:45,760
tour

1987
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:48,800
um and uh

1988
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,920
he after the fifth day he would lock

1989
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,000
himself into his room

1990
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:56,000
and he wouldn't come out he would

1991
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,040
hysterically

1992
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:59,440
sob and cry and scream and at some point

1993
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,159
he came out

1994
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:02,159
and and rolled up in a fetal position in

1995
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:03,679
the living room

1996
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,880
and was begging uh to leave

1997
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:09,360
and of course since we had rental cars

1998
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,040
we drove up there with

1999
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,760
which were only exchanged on um the

2000
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,440
wednesdays when we did shift

2001
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:18,239
turnover uh there was no way for him to

2002
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,199
get off

2003
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,320
the ranch so i've seen quite a few of

2004
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,080
people like that that just turned into

2005
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,800
nut cases out there

2006
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:29,199
but i want to touch real quick on

2007
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:30,639
something else

2008
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:34,159
so you bet as far as people seeing stuff

2009
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:37,600
and having to be a certain category of

2010
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:41,040
of a preconditioning thing

2011
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:44,400
erica was up there at some point and

2012
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:47,360
started taking pictures from the gravel

2013
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:47,840
pit

2014
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:51,040
perspective looking down and that was

2015
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:52,400
after

2016
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:56,000
the fugle um regime had taken over up

2017
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,800
there

2018
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,840
and um she took some pictures and she is

2019
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,760
definitely not involved in any kind of

2020
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:03,840
law enforcement military

2021
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:06,880
uh none of that quite the opposite

2022
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:10,639
um she's a person that that

2023
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:13,840
is in arts and in music

2024
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,480
and that type of thing but i want to let

2025
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:18,159
her tell you real quick

2026
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,199
the stuff that she had photographed that

2027
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:23,040
was later on

2028
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:26,800
uh looked at and dismissed

2029
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:30,159
but let you take that from there

2030
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:34,480
yeah yeah yeah so it's like um brian i

2031
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,840
know you and i have

2032
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,520
experienced some interesting things in

2033
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:39,120
in and around that area

2034
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:42,400
um so i went there one night i

2035
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,400
just interviewed junior hicks and i

2036
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:49,280
uh decided to i have a friend up in the

2037
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:50,639
basement who i've been

2038
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,800
uh documenting he and his family's

2039
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,800
experiences for years

2040
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:56,880
and things and he just gave me a you

2041
01:31:01,030 --> 01:30:58,480
know he said this is a great place

2042
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,040
to go and look and see what what happens

2043
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:03,199
uh there and

2044
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:06,719
so i it was a kind of a stormy night and

2045
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:08,000
there was a lightning storm

2046
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:10,719
rolling in which was amazing over the

2047
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:11,600
over that area

2048
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:16,800
such a beautiful area and um i noticed

2049
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:20,320
that it was desk uh getting darker

2050
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:23,440
and over by the old homestead um i

2051
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,920
noticed

2052
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:25,280
there it looked to me like there was

2053
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:27,199
some sort of mist that was

2054
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:29,600
forming and i kept trying to you know

2055
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,639
okay with what

2056
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,960
could it be due to a b c and d and roll

2057
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:35,440
up possibilities and

2058
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:38,560
and the it it appeared to this

2059
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,400
missed kind of uh doubled and came over

2060
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:45,360
towards me and then around me and you

2061
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,840
know when

2062
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:47,520
that happened the temperature got really

2063
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,040
low and

2064
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,800
there was just that electrical feeling

2065
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:53,040
it was like all the sounds were

2066
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:56,320
muffled um and that happened

2067
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:00,000
for that you know a good period of time

2068
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:02,320
and to where it would just go retreat

2069
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:03,520
come back

2070
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,480
uh and then i noticed above uh the skin

2071
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:08,639
walker bridge that there was a

2072
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,239
bright amber orange sphere you know like

2073
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:14,719
you've seen those as well i know um

2074
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,000
could have been bell lightning i don't

2075
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:18,560
know but i watched that and then

2076
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,679
watched another one appear below it that

2077
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:23,280
seemed to have some sort of

2078
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:26,320
um almost like an electrical current

2079
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,920
going between the two of them and they

2080
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,520
were hovering

2081
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:32,239
there for quite some time and and so

2082
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:33,199
just very

2083
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,719
very interesting types of of things and

2084
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:38,400
again is that man-made or is that

2085
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:41,040
something that is is paranormal

2086
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:44,000
i don't i don't know uh uh you know

2087
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:45,440
there was a natural

2088
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:48,080
phenomenon of some sort it was it was it

2089
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,440
was interesting you know how it always

2090
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:50,880
is up there

2091
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:53,440
yeah and i remember oh yeah go ahead

2092
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:54,080
chris

2093
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:57,760
i'm sorry so basically i don't think

2094
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:00,560
that the notion that you would have to

2095
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,600
be

2096
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:03,920
coming from a military type background

2097
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:05,440
really

2098
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:08,560
factors into a lot i think that

2099
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:12,320
if that was my show uh up there

2100
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:15,360
i would actually use people that have

2101
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:17,920
not been exposed to anything because

2102
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:19,040
they're much easier

2103
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:22,320
to to influence

2104
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:24,239
but i think the problem is so and this

2105
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:25,600
is where i just have to step in here and

2106
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:27,120
i disagree with chris you know

2107
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,679
um that's good 100 on this i mean i

2108
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:31,520
think that you definitely did have

2109
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,080
military personnel we know on on the

2110
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:36,080
ranch and i think that they were

2111
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,760
knowing some of the studies that kick

2112
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:39,360
green has been involved with i mean they

2113
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:40,800
were looking for

2114
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:43,600
specific types of people who did perhaps

2115
01:33:48,310 --> 01:33:44,960
have maybe a

2116
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,320
uh were a little bit more exposed to

2117
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,800
to uh things that would be fearful like

2118
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:52,719
you would be if you were in combat

2119
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,159
and they're trying to develop these

2120
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,639
technologies that can

2121
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:59,120
influence them and so they needed a

2122
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:00,159
different

2123
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,199
set of people group to do that on

2124
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:05,280
and so i think that that's kind of what

2125
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:06,239
took place

2126
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,280
while the while the asap contract was

2127
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:11,040
up and running and and like i said you

2128
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,639
know you look at kit green's

2129
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:15,280
work and you look at the people he

2130
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:16,320
surrounded himself

2131
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:19,120
with and things and it's um quite

2132
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,560
interesting

2133
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:22,560
yes actually you know what erica you got

2134
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:24,560
a point um if you look at it from that

2135
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:26,719
perspective it totally makes sense

2136
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:29,760
it would make sense because ultimately

2137
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:33,360
um depending on the application that

2138
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,239
uh they're planning on on utilizing

2139
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:37,760
their stuff

2140
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,480
uh if it's if it becomes or is geared

2141
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:42,719
towards also being part of the arsenal

2142
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:47,440
and we see it is

2143
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:50,560
uh the armies rolled out um

2144
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:53,760
microwave weapons of modern humvees and

2145
01:34:58,629 --> 01:34:56,960
and mobile platforms where and plasma

2146
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,639
balls that talk and different things i

2147
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,239
mean all of that stuff

2148
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:02,400
is you know the known technology that

2149
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,159
could have that absolutely mimics the

2150
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:06,400
paranormal that has been deployed

2151
01:35:10,709 --> 01:35:08,800
in theater uh but also you know you've

2152
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,719
got the people on the ranch who signed

2153
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:12,639
you know who were there that were

2154
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:14,080
employed for bigelow and then you've got

2155
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:16,000
the people in that community outside

2156
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,199
that are also

2157
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,960
seeing it documenting and posting it on

2158
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:20,239
social media

2159
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,960
and so you've got a whole whole bunch of

2160
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,480
different people that you can

2161
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:26,239
kind of analyze and i want to just throw

2162
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:28,719
in there too i've noticed in my

2163
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:30,719
research especially with abduction

2164
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,560
groups you know that they're

2165
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:34,800
the specific questions they ask them i

2166
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:36,480
mean most of these people have had

2167
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:39,520
trauma and in their lives at some point

2168
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:42,719
so it is interesting just to maybe

2169
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:46,239
think that the abduction cases um

2170
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:48,639
and the people that kind of surrounded

2171
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:50,000
abductees

2172
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,000
were perhaps doing this as some sort of

2173
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:56,400
experiment on on people that it had

2174
01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:57,119
trauma

2175
01:36:01,109 --> 01:35:58,639
it's fascinating the whole thing is like

2176
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,119
it's just a big big big dark hole

2177
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:03,040
of things i wish it was just dt that

2178
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:04,560
would be right a lot more fun

2179
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:07,520
yeah it is fascinating and i hate to do

2180
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:09,119
this but wrapping up i still have a

2181
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:10,159
couple questions one

2182
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,840
or actually one for you and a couple for

2183
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:13,679
chris the um

2184
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:17,679
firstly like well let me let me get to

2185
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:20,080
yours erica because i remember you

2186
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,840
uh telling me about that experience and

2187
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:24,159
that uh

2188
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:28,480
mist of sorts and it is very spooky

2189
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:31,920
and it it may very you know it's a

2190
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:32,400
presence

2191
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:35,600
you were able to document it so that's

2192
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:38,719
i mean kudos for that um chris

2193
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,159
i wanted to ask you a couple of things

2194
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:45,119
so while you were there did you ever

2195
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,400
feel the ground

2196
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:48,639
kind of shaking under you like it felt

2197
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:50,239
like that vertigo

2198
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:54,239
in your own experiences and

2199
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,920
the other thing is you said that the

2200
01:37:02,950 --> 01:36:59,679
experiences were far from random

2201
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:02,960
specific events locations

2202
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,000
and descriptions and i wanted to know

2203
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,639
did you find that the lower waterways to

2204
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:10,560
the south were much more elemental in

2205
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:11,520
crypto

2206
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:13,600
the mesa more high-tech and light

2207
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:15,280
craft-like phenomena and the stuff in

2208
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:17,440
between was just kind of in between

2209
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:19,119
or i know that's a lot of questions and

2210
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:26,310
um there were vibrations

2211
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,600
um not very often but there i have

2212
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:30,960
experienced vibrations

2213
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:35,280
in the ground which

2214
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,800
were sort of like you know a very

2215
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:40,159
low-key earthquake

2216
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:43,600
type thing uh event

2217
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,119
um as far as and here's again

2218
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:50,159
uh my experience is all

2219
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:53,600
what i experienced but at some point

2220
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:56,480
uh jason degato came up and we conducted

2221
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:57,760
experiments together

2222
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:01,119
um at homestead too he was a physicist

2223
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:04,320
and what we did was within that 50 meter

2224
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:04,880
circle

2225
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:08,719
of homestead 2 we would uh daisy chain

2226
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,320
8 laptops and

2227
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:14,480
they would measure they would be set up

2228
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:16,400
geared up to measure

2229
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:19,600
uh electromagnetic pulse

2230
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:22,560
and we did this experiment for about a

2231
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,280
week straight

2232
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,760
and did different locations within that

2233
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:28,080
roughly 50 meter circle

2234
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:31,040
and the experience was always the same

2235
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:31,840
uh

2236
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:34,480
turn them on and nothing would happen

2237
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,360
for

2238
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:38,080
anywhere between 20 and 45 seconds a

2239
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,199
minute

2240
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:42,080
and then there would be some sort of a

2241
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,719
spike

2242
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,320
that showed up on all the different

2243
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:46,159
screens that was off

2244
01:38:49,950 --> 01:38:49,040
the chart um and all computers would

2245
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:49,960
shut down

2246
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:53,679
simultaneously within a fraction

2247
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:56,800
of a second you could barely see there

2248
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,520
were

2249
01:39:01,990 --> 01:38:59,600
there was a program on these that

2250
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:02,000
indicated the the presence of

2251
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:04,639
gay electromagnetic activity and they

2252
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:05,679
would spike

2253
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:08,800
uh in almost like within a fraction of a

2254
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,280
second

2255
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:11,040
after you could see the spike and then

2256
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,480
boom black screen

2257
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:14,800
all of them and we did this for a week

2258
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,679
uh

2259
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,760
took a couple hours to recharge them

2260
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:18,960
with the same result

2261
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:22,560
every single time i had compasses

2262
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,480
electric and manual um

2263
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:29,920
um compasses i always carried them spin

2264
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:32,960
like helicopter blades uh at homestead

2265
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,440
too

2266
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,440
and started spinning to the point where

2267
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:37,199
you couldn't even see the dial anymore

2268
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:37,760
they

2269
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:40,800
just started spinning out of control

2270
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:44,320
um so these things were all over

2271
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:47,280
the this very very very bright light

2272
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:47,920
that

2273
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:50,639
appeared uh over the ranch usually in

2274
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:51,840
the vicinity of

2275
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,880
of the gates uh it was almost like there

2276
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:56,159
was a linear

2277
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:58,080
i mean the dirt road between east and

2278
01:40:00,870 --> 01:40:00,000
westgate is you can almost draw a

2279
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:00,880
straight line

2280
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,080
got a couple of curves but they are

2281
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,400
kind of opposite of one another

2282
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:08,400
geographically and geometrically

2283
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:11,840
and this light which was so

2284
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:15,280
uh bright that

2285
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:18,080
uh i've read about i actually wrote

2286
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:18,639
about it

2287
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:22,400
where i could see um

2288
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:25,360
um the bones of my hand of course i

2289
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:27,040
closed my eyes i could

2290
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,560
shield them with my hands and i could

2291
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,280
see bone

2292
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,920
fracture and i could see even foliage

2293
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,199
through my closed eyes

2294
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,440
with my hands in front of my eyes i

2295
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:38,320
could still see

2296
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:41,920
it was that bright uh probably not very

2297
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,880
healthy

2298
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,719
uh it has been experienced by people

2299
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:46,719
that are not vigorously related and

2300
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:50,320
it has been experienced by

2301
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:53,760
people that i have been up there with so

2302
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:56,080
i would say that to answer a question

2303
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:57,520
that every event

2304
01:41:02,310 --> 01:41:00,639
that took place up there was a high

2305
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:02,320
level event

2306
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,600
if that was uh the

2307
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:07,520
knowledge era and disability voices at

2308
01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:08,880
homestead 2 or the

2309
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,400
these this x-ray type device

2310
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:15,280
uh that was experienced between the

2311
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:15,920
gates

2312
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:19,600
or if it was this uh creature i

2313
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,080
ended up calling toby who displayed no

2314
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,920
body temperature and the mesa or the

2315
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:25,199
wolves to the south

2316
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:29,440
at the uh at the um the river

2317
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:32,639
all these were very very different

2318
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,600
type of events that were not connected

2319
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:36,880
not interconnected

2320
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:39,520
totally independent from one another but

2321
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:40,320
i would

2322
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,159
call them all equally of significance

2323
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:48,159
so there's so much more we almost got to

2324
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:50,400
do it there's so much more to talk

2325
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,600
i know i know um it's just you know

2326
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:56,639
it's it's really hard to wrap up uh

2327
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:59,600
six years and other stuff that has come

2328
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,000
out

2329
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:03,760
since and in in uh

2330
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:06,880
an hour and a half but it's just

2331
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:09,040
looking back it was just a mind-blowing

2332
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,080
experience

2333
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:12,560
man i know and such a better answer than

2334
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,080
i expected which is

2335
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:15,760
starting to be what i expect such a good

2336
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:17,199
answer thank you chris

2337
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:20,560
um the and erica i wanted to get back to

2338
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,080
you really quick and ask you

2339
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,800
a little bit about that that mist

2340
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:26,880
because i've been with researchers that

2341
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:27,679
you know

2342
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,800
we've seen mist and it's done things

2343
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,960
um and i also wanted to thank chris

2344
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,920
about mentioning

2345
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,920
the wolves near the waterways or you

2346
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:37,679
know what he named toby and some of this

2347
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,040
other stuff because

2348
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:41,679
that's very interesting again not random

2349
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,239
and

2350
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:45,840
uh you know specific areas but

2351
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:49,040
erica the reality of what dabbles in our

2352
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:49,440
world

2353
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,080
sometimes reaching through maybe a veil

2354
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:54,080
uh may always elude us in the uinta

2355
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,560
basin

2356
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,400
but the frequency with which this

2357
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:58,080
intelligence no pun

2358
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:01,600
intended dabbles is beyond measure

2359
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,639
if i had to guess i

2360
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:06,880
would say it takes place without

2361
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:09,040
observation but exponentially less i'm

2362
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:10,719
not sure it seems

2363
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:14,000
as if the observer's very gays may be

2364
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:15,840
kind of a harvest of sorts and once

2365
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:16,480
filled

2366
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:20,080
the phenomena disappears disengages

2367
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:23,520
or eludes pursuit at all costs um

2368
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:26,480
our otherworldly quote-unquote friends

2369
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,119
which people

2370
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:30,000
are pushing may have ulterior motives

2371
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,040
that have been kind of

2372
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,679
put out there and a very real presence

2373
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:35,440
under our very noses not to use

2374
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:37,679
somebody's exact term

2375
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:40,560
but the very planet we call home do you

2376
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:41,440
think that there

2377
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:45,440
is any part of that and this

2378
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,960
that you still believe could be a

2379
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,800
possibility other than you know that

2380
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:50,639
it's not all military

2381
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:52,719
you know it's it's so hard for me

2382
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,679
because i've

2383
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:55,440
like chris and you i mean i've had

2384
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:58,560
experiences that i still cannot explain

2385
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:01,760
but knowing all the people involved

2386
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:05,760
at skinwalker ranch uh historically and

2387
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:08,000
and different things i you know i fully

2388
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,119
believe there wasn't

2389
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:11,199
i don't think that there was ever any

2390
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,800
paranormal uh

2391
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:14,800
things taking place there i think it was

2392
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,600
a psychological operation and then

2393
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:20,400
uh testing and and and they you they

2394
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:21,440
carefully

2395
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:24,639
used the the native lore and and

2396
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:27,840
those stories and different things to to

2397
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:30,400
give that that kind of a veil so they

2398
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,119
could do this

2399
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,760
and get away with it and and so i you

2400
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,960
know i mean

2401
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,800
i you know like i said i know that there

2402
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:38,560
are there are things that take place

2403
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:41,679
we can't understand do i think the

2404
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,800
skinwalker ranch is paranormal in any

2405
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:45,520
respect i

2406
01:44:50,990 --> 01:44:49,520
i don't and it's i've come a long way my

2407
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:51,000
thinking has changed

2408
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:54,400
180 degrees yeah

2409
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,719
and i wanted to say oh my gosh uh you

2410
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:58,880
had barry littleton on and and i loved

2411
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:59,760
hearing that

2412
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,560
and his experiences at eseti which gosh

2413
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,080
like chris said we have to go down a

2414
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:05,360
whole other rabbit hole because there's

2415
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:07,040
multiple places where multiple things

2416
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,840
are happening

2417
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,480
and it is just wild and well anyway i

2418
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:12,080
can't thank you guys enough be blessed

2419
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:12,800
out there stay

2420
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,119
safe and i hope to talk to you both soon

2421
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:17,119
thank you so much chris

2422
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,080
hey anytime ryan that was uh very cool

2423
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:21,840
thanks for having us on

2424
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,600
and uh it is my my goal that i want to

2425
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:27,280
give and i'm open for any of your

2426
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:28,800
listeners have any questions

2427
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:32,159
to reach out and contact me ask

2428
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:35,199
uh if they need more uh in depth or if i

2429
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,159
left something

2430
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:38,719
that that i didn't explain um there's so

2431
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:39,679
much more

2432
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:42,159
uh especially now we're talking the wolf

2433
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:42,960
story

2434
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,320
and yeah there's just

2435
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:49,119
a lot more and i i appreciate the

2436
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:49,840
opportunity

2437
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:53,360
to be able to to just

2438
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,520
tell my side or the side that i refer to

2439
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:58,639
as the

2440
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:01,440
i have no interest in in there's no gain

2441
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:03,440
for me other than just putting out

2442
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,480
what i observed um there there's

2443
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:08,400
no connections i'm not connected to fugl

2444
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:09,840
i'm not connected to big law i'm not

2445
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:12,159
connected to anybody i'm not in the

2446
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:15,280
ufo world i'm not any of that i

2447
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:18,719
i'm a guitar player and i simply

2448
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,480
had the uh the opportunity to be at the

2449
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:24,480
ranch when i was at the ranch and to

2450
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:27,520
have documented and kept records of

2451
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:30,960
the things that i have experienced

2452
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,280
yeah so thank you ryan yeah i i don't

2453
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:35,040
think these synchronicities are to be

2454
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:35,760
ignored

2455
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:39,280
and um again like i mentioned the uh

2456
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,320
the ufo classified with erica where you

2457
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:44,400
had barry littleton on erica could you

2458
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:47,360
tell our listeners about ufo classified

2459
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:50,880
and uh where to listen in and and check

2460
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:51,280
up on

2461
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:53,040
all the work that you're doing yeah

2462
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:55,119
thank you i ufo classify

2463
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:57,520
is is a show actually started doing a

2464
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:59,440
show about six years ago every friday

2465
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:59,840
night

2466
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:03,119
and and it has been a great joy and it's

2467
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,719
been an interesting it's a trip to

2468
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:06,560
you know my people that i first

2469
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:07,760
interviewed i

2470
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,320
i definitely changed my opinion about

2471
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:12,239
them and certain things over the years

2472
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,719
but

2473
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:14,320
i try to bring on people that are not on

2474
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:15,840
the speaking circuit

2475
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:18,960
uh and people that have different things

2476
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,280
to

2477
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:21,360
say and offer and so it's friday nights

2478
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:23,840
at 7 00 pm eastern time

2479
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:26,639
and it's on spreaker and so you can

2480
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:27,119
listen

2481
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,000
to that and then i have a show supporter

2482
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,480
who posts them on youtube but it's um

2483
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:34,239
barry littleton was on last night and he

2484
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:36,400
is one of the few

2485
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:40,960
uh people who who is is uh he's a black

2486
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,000
man and he's had abduction experiences

2487
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:47,040
and so it is very interesting in a

2488
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,840
ufo culture that is predominantly white

2489
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,800
men

2490
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:53,600
i love berry i love it and so and he he

2491
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:55,600
talked about how difficult that that was

2492
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,639
and some of the

2493
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,360
challenges he's faced uh in in trying to

2494
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:00,960
get involved with the community but

2495
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:03,520
say it's very interesting and tune in

2496
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:04,080
and

2497
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,679
yeah

2498
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,440
he's so cool and you always have great

2499
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:11,040
guests and everybody should definitely

2500
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,840
listen in

2501
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:13,280
all right guys well i hope to talk to

2502
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,840
you soon be blessed and we'll talk soon

2503
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,000
you too take care thanks ryan bye-bye

2504
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:20,560
thank you bye

2505
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,159
well there you have it guys double

2506
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:27,199
duty double duty class

2507
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:31,199
act both erica luke's and chris marks

2508
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,480
being honest about the oddities and they

2509
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:36,719
don't see eye to eye which i absolutely

2510
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:38,560
adore that i mean that is the human

2511
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,600
condition

2512
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,080
this is a scenario that is constantly

2513
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,000
changing shape and i'm glad that erica

2514
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:45,920
mentions that her opinion is constantly

2515
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,639
changing

2516
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:48,800
because mine is too the interesting

2517
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,800
thing about shapeshifter territory is

2518
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:52,560
you can't pay get down

2519
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:54,159
you may think something's happening but

2520
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:55,840
the reality is it could be something

2521
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:57,679
completely different

2522
01:49:01,590 --> 01:49:00,560
the doors of perception are very well

2523
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:01,600
lubricated

2524
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,719
in the uintah basin of utah and

2525
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,880
what you see and don't see may

2526
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,159
ultimately be

2527
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:11,119
up to you the garden and the gardener

2528
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:13,280
poem comes to mind

2529
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:16,719
by loxi sims within the garden of my

2530
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:17,840
mind

2531
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:21,760
i choose what seed i'll sow

2532
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:25,040
the soil prepared with love receives

2533
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:28,639
and warms the thought below i water

2534
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:32,159
weed and cultivate the sun will do its

2535
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:33,119
best

2536
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:36,560
to raise the seed of conscious deed

2537
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,840
and god will do the rest the harvest

2538
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:41,040
will be coming

2539
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:44,239
the product on display the fruits of my

2540
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:45,599
own labor

2541
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,119
shows more than words can say

2542
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:51,440
we are all the gardeners of our own mind

2543
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:53,119
and

2544
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:56,000
we have control of of the garden of the

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mind

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until next time keep your eyes to the

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skies feet on the ground

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and don't forget to take a look around

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[Music]

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time machine third eye feeling passed

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off

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[Music]

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do